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	<description>Just a few bad ideas.</description>
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		<title>Comment on A reverse proxy that caches and deflates. by web proxy</title>
		<link>http://the.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2008/08/08/a-reverse-proxy-that-caches-and-deflates/comment-page-1/#comment-11712</link>
		<dc:creator>web proxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are new working web proxy servers. They should go passed the filters. I checked all of them and they are fast and reliable. The complete list of them is here: http://anonymouslist.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are new working web proxy servers. They should go passed the filters. I checked all of them and they are fast and reliable. The complete list of them is here: <a href="http://anonymouslist.net" rel="nofollow">http://anonymouslist.net</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on mod_ldap LDAPVerifyServerCert simple bind failed by Shay</title>
		<link>http://the.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2008/08/08/mod_ldap-ldapverifyservercert-simple-bind-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-6480</link>
		<dc:creator>Shay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ran into this myself. As a note, the directory the global cert is in also needs to have exec bit set. The most restrictive I could get was

ssl_dir    445
--- ca_cert    444</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ran into this myself. As a note, the directory the global cert is in also needs to have exec bit set. The most restrictive I could get was</p>
<p>ssl_dir    445<br />
&#8212; ca_cert    444</p>
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		<title>Comment on Javascript properties &#124; accessors &#124; getter / setter by Sel</title>
		<link>http://the.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2005/04/28/javascript-properties-accessors-getter-setter/comment-page-1/#comment-6200</link>
		<dc:creator>Sel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not working.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Twice as cheap to drink really good scotch. by rockster</title>
		<link>http://the.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2005/07/11/twice-as-cheap-to-drink-really-good-scotch/comment-page-1/#comment-3769</link>
		<dc:creator>rockster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about inverhouse @ $6.50 fifth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about inverhouse @ $6.50 fifth?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Javascript ShellServer for Emacs by Hans</title>
		<link>http://the.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2005/06/02/javascript-shellserver-for-emacs/comment-page-1/#comment-3024</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

is there a new version of the Firefox extension available?  The old link does not work, and as others have noted, it would not be accepted by Firefox 2.0 anyway.

Thanks,
Hans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>is there a new version of the Firefox extension available?  The old link does not work, and as others have noted, it would not be accepted by Firefox 2.0 anyway.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Hans</p>
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		<title>Comment on Practical Common Lisp Footnotes Greasemonkey Script by Mathrick no PATANKO PRESS! :: Common Lisp Tutorial</title>
		<link>http://the.unwashedmeme.com/blog/2005/07/04/practical-common-lisp-footnotes-greasemonkey-script/comment-page-1/#comment-2864</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathrick no PATANKO PRESS! :: Common Lisp Tutorial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a dead tree edition to be picked up from Amazon, y&#8217;know), you will want to install the greasemonkey script for footnotes hyperlinkification. And be sure to read it to the end, including all the practicals. A fair body of the code from the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a dead tree edition to be picked up from Amazon, y&#8217;know), you will want to install the greasemonkey script for footnotes hyperlinkification. And be sure to read it to the end, including all the practicals. A fair body of the code from the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on My plea against C++ by Joseph Huang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Huang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gambit-C compiles to C, not C++, so that mite be an issue. If compiling to C is fine, there are many languages that you could use. I recommend Mercury, which has a high-level C backend.

http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/research/mercury/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gambit-C compiles to C, not C++, so that mite be an issue. If compiling to C is fine, there are many languages that you could use. I recommend Mercury, which has a high-level C backend.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/research/mercury/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/research/mercury/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on My plea against C++ by Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like you have a good college then.  If you really do have a good enough grasp of it maybe you dont need to do it, but I am not saying you should do it just because its hard (ala punch cards).  I have worked with a lot of people in the industry who have no clue how computers work and thats a bad, bad thing.  They are barely able to patch together snippets of code they found on the web, chant some voodoo incantation, and then close their eyes click Run and hope something not too bad happens.  People like that could really benefit from some C++ experience.  

Not everyone can grok memory and pointers and templates and the stl and how to architect non-gc programs, but I think everyone should at least try.   If you really already understand that maybe you dont need anymore experience.  That said though, if you do, then maybe it shouldnt be such a big deal to this project in C++ rather than Erlang, right?  Actually having to write the code that does some of what Erlang gives you out of the box will probably help you understand Erlang better as well.

And maybe thats one of the things your teacher is trying to teach your class.  Not just how to write a protocol, but how to make it work without invoking &quot;magic&quot; constructs in a concurrent language like Erlang that students dont really understand.  Its like how you probably had to write a linked list implementation even though almost every language known to man has a library linked list.  There is something to be said for writing basic stuff instead of just using what has already been written for you.  It gives you some good experience.


kirindave, there is a difference between being spineless and understanding that doing hard things can make you a better person.  Also, for what its worth, if you consider games and real applications that people use everyday, C++ is far more prevalent for those than higher level and niche languages like Erlang.  Obviously its not the same for web applications, but in my experience it is the people who can ONLY do web apps or can ONLY do hard C++ apps that really stagnate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you have a good college then.  If you really do have a good enough grasp of it maybe you dont need to do it, but I am not saying you should do it just because its hard (ala punch cards).  I have worked with a lot of people in the industry who have no clue how computers work and thats a bad, bad thing.  They are barely able to patch together snippets of code they found on the web, chant some voodoo incantation, and then close their eyes click Run and hope something not too bad happens.  People like that could really benefit from some C++ experience.  </p>
<p>Not everyone can grok memory and pointers and templates and the stl and how to architect non-gc programs, but I think everyone should at least try.   If you really already understand that maybe you dont need anymore experience.  That said though, if you do, then maybe it shouldnt be such a big deal to this project in C++ rather than Erlang, right?  Actually having to write the code that does some of what Erlang gives you out of the box will probably help you understand Erlang better as well.</p>
<p>And maybe thats one of the things your teacher is trying to teach your class.  Not just how to write a protocol, but how to make it work without invoking &#8220;magic&#8221; constructs in a concurrent language like Erlang that students dont really understand.  Its like how you probably had to write a linked list implementation even though almost every language known to man has a library linked list.  There is something to be said for writing basic stuff instead of just using what has already been written for you.  It gives you some good experience.</p>
<p>kirindave, there is a difference between being spineless and understanding that doing hard things can make you a better person.  Also, for what its worth, if you consider games and real applications that people use everyday, C++ is far more prevalent for those than higher level and niche languages like Erlang.  Obviously its not the same for web applications, but in my experience it is the people who can ONLY do web apps or can ONLY do hard C++ apps that really stagnate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My plea against C++ by Jordan Wilberding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan Wilberding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I hope your TA says no, you’ll learn more from it”

As I have TA&#039;d classes myself I can say this is the farthest from the truth. How do you learn more by having a required language that is used for almost every CS class taught?

For all the classes where I have designed the materials they are structured in a way that a student can choose any language they want. This gives students a chance to try different languages and compare how elegant their code is compared to other kids who chose different languages.

Fortunately, most of the classes at the university I attend are like this. I can tell you, writing programs in Erlang allowed me to take 1/5th of the time it took other people to use C++ and Java.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I hope your TA says no, you’ll learn more from it”</p>
<p>As I have TA&#8217;d classes myself I can say this is the farthest from the truth. How do you learn more by having a required language that is used for almost every CS class taught?</p>
<p>For all the classes where I have designed the materials they are structured in a way that a student can choose any language they want. This gives students a chance to try different languages and compare how elegant their code is compared to other kids who chose different languages.</p>
<p>Fortunately, most of the classes at the university I attend are like this. I can tell you, writing programs in Erlang allowed me to take 1/5th of the time it took other people to use C++ and Java.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My plea against C++ by Wayne Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was once asked to write a .NET webapp for a school project when .NET was still pretty new. The frontend was, of course, ASP.NET. The entire course provided code fragments in VB.NET. I hated the wordiness but I did the work nevertheless.

Then midway through I figured that C#.NET provided the C-style syntax and curly braces I loved. I wrote the entire code-behind in C# and received a D grade as a result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was once asked to write a .NET webapp for a school project when .NET was still pretty new. The frontend was, of course, ASP.NET. The entire course provided code fragments in VB.NET. I hated the wordiness but I did the work nevertheless.</p>
<p>Then midway through I figured that C#.NET provided the C-style syntax and curly braces I loved. I wrote the entire code-behind in C# and received a D grade as a result.</p>
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